Register my pup in the NKC

[jgm]

My breeder send me the paper to register my puppy in the NKC.
I want to know what is this organization.
Thanks
Janisse

[jpy]

Some of your folks might want to read this including "jqm"
http://www.naiaonline.org/akcsus.html
NAIA always a good source of info.jpy

:In reply to "NKC" posted by jqm on 08/11/00:

[jpy]

It's the "National Kennel Club"--one of those organizations that will "register" any "dog without papers" I believe. Look in the back of such as DogFancy Magazine. They carry ads for these sorts of organizations. To my knowledge they do nothing else (no shows, no research, no funding et al) & you'd have to check on this, but I believe many of them are corporatea/commercial organizations, not non-profit registries like teh AKC & UKC. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. remember folks: CAVEAT EMPTOR!

[Carolyn]

Did you ask your breeder??? What did he/she say?? Why didnt they AKC it?? I may be wrong on this but I have found (in reading on the net) PMers and BYBer's are getting away from AKC because they are requesting to much info (DNA testing, etc) and too much money ( a whole $20.00) to register a litter so they are looking for other clubs to register there litters.

:In reply to "NKC" posted by jqm on 08/11/00:

[jgm]

I did ask the breeder if the puppies were AKC, if they were tested for everything. I guess I trust her because other breeders where
using her pick of the litter for their own foundation, and her name and kennel name is in this site in the blue section.
My mistake, I receive the papers a week ago. I am going to call her to see what's the deal.
I hope, she respond the way I want her to respond.

[jpy]

You'd think if you can easily find a half dozen people who'll enthusiastically recommend a breeder & someone others are buying & breeding from, you've found someone good, & at least you've avoided the Puppy Mill & really bad types.
SAD TO SAY YOU'D BE WRONG. From what I've seen even the Devil himself could find 6 demons who'd happily recommmend him, so IMO recommendations from puppy buyers mean NOTHING unless you can assess the people themselves. (Especially if they are, just hypothetically speaking, cheerfully richer for having been shown an EZ way to make a few bucks while sitting at home.) Also someone beig able to buy "pick of the litter" let alone "start up" their own independent breeding program with it is a verrrrrrrrrrrrry bad sign. Quality breeders KEEP "pick of the litter" (even if they believe in such a thing & many of us do not) & they rarely, if ever, use that term.
Myself I have NEVER heard a single breeder I know say that & always associate it with newspaper puppies & other "BYB" terms, like "breeding pair" "AKC pups" "wormed & shots" "declawed" "our puppies raised with our family" (what's the alterantive?)....all im *my* mind, go with "pick of the litter" (for sale).
SO HOW DO YOU PICK BREEdERS?
STOP LOOKING AT THE DOGS!!!!
1)Look at the people & use your general good judgment maybe is better than any list of "dos & donts". If it feels funky, leave., don't rationalize or make excuses or doubt your judgement.
2) CHECK THEIR CREDENTIALS. They ought to belong to breed clubs & THEIR PEERS ought to be able to recommend them. (Not people that bought from them, people who are their showring RIVALS!! Yes we all do this for each other all the time.
*** Don't BUY EZ from friendly folks. Buy from people who are the living embodiment of the "B" word on your first meeting, who make you jump thru hoops, who WON'T talk money or pups with you & who are really somewhat difficult to deal with & make buying a dog a hassle & maybe even try to run you off a bit. (That way you won't be caught napping by some friendly salesman if you are the trusting type.)
3) CHECK THE PAPERWORK BEFORE YOU SEE THE DOGS.
Read what I wrote again. NEVER skip this step.
SEE the pedigrees people! I know ya'll don't give a 'whoop' about pedigrees, but pedigrees is what we live & die by, & they do containt things like proof of OFA & proof of registration. NEVER take someone's word for this if they are a stranger to you unless you can tell a liar at a glance. This is how most buyers get taken. Sleazy-Breeder lies smooth as glass & ya'll just never check on their credentials or their claims. Now most of us have all that paperwork out on the table when you get here, to save you the embarrassment of asking (and/or at the website & I DO not mean contracts, okay). Amazing thing is I cannot even get puppy buyers to look at it....they just want to see the puppies....& this is how they are doomed to failure unless they fall into the hands of a nice breeder totally by accident. Half the people who've come to my house had no clue about how to buy a dog & wouldn't have know a good breeder from a bad one & many didn't even to realize the kind of danger they were in, & some didn't even want to bother when I tried to help. I WAS MORE SCARED FOR THEM than they were for themselves, & I'm not going to be buying bad dogs from worse people to live in my home.
4) CHECK OUT THE PUP's FAMILY. See the adults, the parents & other close relatives should be at shows nearby & otherwise you can see them in Dog magazines..REAL breed & show magaizines (calendars, things like DogFancy, pet supply catalogs & Hollywood don't necessarily pick out good examples of the breed to hire,okay).
#1 CHECK OUT THE PERSON #2SEE THE PAPERWORK & CHRCK THEIR CLAIMS #3 SEE THE ADULT DOGS FIRST!! #4 SEE THE PUPS.
If you do it write you'll probably not actually look at 1 litter in 10.

YOU SAID: I did ask the breeder if the puppies were AKC, if they were tested for everything.
WHAT DID THEY ANSWER I WONDER? (Maybe you could help others understand how you ended up with an unregisterable pup if you can tell us what sort of answer--that was not--"here let me show the paperwork"--that satisfied you?

[Carolyn]

When you asked her jqm about the AKC what did she say?? If she said yes and than sent you NKC papers, that would be a pretty serious mistake, and one that you would have some recourse on.
JPY has been posting alot of material about reputable/responsible breeders, I just cant reinerate enough about it also. Just because someone has a website with nice pictures and shows their dogs doesnt mean they are reputable/responsible breeders. I've mentioned this before, I know of breeders who show/breed dog aggressive dogs, breeding blues to fawns (not funny, a breeder quoted often on this board does this, her state is loaded with miss colored dogs) dogs that are structurally unsound or not meeting standard but may win first in their class (only because they were the only ones in it) get there picture taken and pass it off to unsuspecting folks that they have a great show dog. And unfortunately many pups are bought via emails/phones sight unseen, the unsuspecting buyer is relying on words of a breeder to send them quality companion/show pups that meets the dane standard in ~ALL~ areas.
So what are my words of wisdom, sometimes I'm not sure, but I do know some people can talk candy from a baby, do they put their reputation on the line by: giving a contract/guarantee, test parents, not allow you to EVER sell pup/dog if you need to surrender it--it must go back to the breeder, breed on a very limited basis, breed only the best, and last but not least do they belong to dog related clubs and how involved are they.
Than its up to you, buyer, to not be in a hurry, check up on the breeder of your choice, have them send pics, of home, kennels, dogs. Call the clubs. You may think this is alot of work but I will tell you the price of a pup is not relevant to quality. I just bred my b*tch (needing only her 2 majors to finish) to the dog 4th in the nation (1999)and sold my pups cheaper than some breeders I know that never showed, dont test, dont crop, etc, etc, etc....... If the breeder tells you something that makes you uncomfortable, look for someone else.

[Carolyn]

One other thing I forgot to mention, never ever purchase a pup from an accidental breeding. No breeder should EVER make money off such a litter. Those pups should be offered for sale at $100.00 a piece, no papers and than once proof of spaying/nuetering is done your money is refunded. All costs involved in whelping and raising the litter should be absorbed by the breeder. IMNSHO no ethical breeder would make money from such a litter. I think that you will find that ethical responsible/reputable breeders do NOT have accidental breedings (or very few in their lifetime). And the old excuses about how the dog opens the doors, unlatches gates, chewed thru the chain link fencing, jumped over a 10 foot wall, and swam across a river to get to her b*tch in heat only go so far...........
I have heard these stories from far to many "breeders" (notice I did not say ethical/resp/reput)and watch them cash in.