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lisa.gayle
09-03-2011, 07:53 PM
Olive has been chewing on her paw the last week or so. Tonight I noticed this between her toes. The pictures aren't super clear (sorry) but it's red and swollen underneath it. I texted pictures of it to a friend of ours who is our vet and she said she needs to see it, but they are closed tomorrow so I'll take her in on Monday.

Until then....I put neosporin on it. Is that okay? Any suggestions on this? Is it a wart maybe?

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/whenyougonnaeatthatpickle/Olivetoe2.jpg



http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/whenyougonnaeatthatpickle/Olivetoe.jpg

Carolyn
09-03-2011, 08:09 PM
That is a papilloma.............aka wart!
Keep her away from other dogs, especially any bitch who is pregnant or just whelped as they are highly contagious.

I had my dogs come down with those early this Spring. They bled easily. I used Silver Nitrate sticks to stop the bleeding. The silver Nitrate also helped disolve the warts faster and heal them up.

lisa.gayle
09-03-2011, 08:17 PM
That is a papilloma.............aka wart!
Keep her away from other dogs, especially any bitch who is pregnant or just whelped as they are highly contagious.

I had my dogs come down with those early this Spring. They bled easily. I used Silver Nitrate sticks to stop the bleeding. The silver Nitrate also helped disolve the warts faster and heal them up.

Thank you! I thought it might be a wart but wasn't sure. Is Silver Nitrate something I can get on my own or is it something I will need to get from the vet? I'm going to take her in on Monday afternoon.

I had no idea they were contagious! I guess Olive doesn't get to go to camp with me for a while. crying2

Carolyn
09-03-2011, 08:27 PM
Your vet will have the Silver Nitrate sticks.......see if he will give you a couple to take home incase she gets new sores or the old ones start to bleed.
On my fawns, the silver nitrate discolored their fur, but that shouldnt a problem with Olive. And yes, no camp for Olive for at least a month.

lisa.gayle
09-04-2011, 08:08 AM
Thank you! I'll ask about it tomorrow. :)

Poor Olive this morning when I left for work my husband said she cried at the door for about 20 minutes. She didn't understand why she couldn't come. :( Poor girl.

vraiment
09-04-2011, 08:15 AM
Oh Olive...get rid of that wart. Ladies need pretty hands lol.

I am hopeful that a wart is the right diagnosis. That would be at least a harmless choice of what it could be. Prayers for just a wart. :)

Get better sweet Olive.

oneheatherdiane
09-04-2011, 08:52 AM
are these contagious to other dogs only, or contagious to people too?? since i know people can have warts....:confused:

lisa.gayle
09-04-2011, 10:06 AM
are these contagious to other dogs only, or contagious to people too?? since i know people can have warts....:confused:

I was wondering this, too? Id hate to catch one! :eek:

lisa.gayle
09-05-2011, 11:31 AM
Update on Miss Olive:

Since I posed on Saturday, the lesion on her toe has grown so big that it now sticks out and can be seen without even opening her toes up. I took her to the vet today and she said that it looks to be an infection. We started her on Rimadyl and Cephalexin and will revisit it in about 2 weeks.

Carolyn
09-05-2011, 11:47 AM
Yep, my vet didnt know it was papilloma's either LOL! As most vets see them in the mouth area and dont even realize they can grow between the toes.

Have you checked in between her other toes to see if she has any other growths? You can sometimes find them on their hocks, knee area and tummy.

Carolyn
09-05-2011, 12:14 PM
Do these look similar?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/DivineAcres/Wart2.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/DivineAcres/wart1.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/DivineAcres/wart.jpg



Just for a bit more information, above are pictures that I took of the papillomas on my 3 dogs. I had 8 dogs at the time, all were exposed to the virus, 3 became infected with it, 5 did not. Of the 3 infected, one was pregnant.........we unfortunately lost over half her litter after delivery. I believe her being infected with this virus during gestation caused the complications with the pups after delivery. One of the others infected was also recently bred just prior to exposure and she didnt conceive.

AND in my experience, the warts between the toes grew large (none of the dogs got any mouth warts), bled and then after the Silver nitrate application, as that was the only thing I found that actually stopped the bleeding, they did dry up and dissappear within 3 weeks. The Dane that initially was infected (he got it from the vets office) took a bit longer for the warts to dissappear. And yes it did take a couple vets (pictures I sent to my vets) to get a correct diagnosis as the first one (like yours) was not sure.

Hope this helps :)

oneheatherdiane
09-05-2011, 12:55 PM
if she asked her vet for silver nitrate sticks, would they give them to her based on her diagnosis (if she finds they are the same as your pics)

or would a vet protest giving the silver nitrate sticks because they dont think they are the warts.

if they are the warts will her the antibiotics she is on do nothing?? or can anti biotics help clear them up as well?

i know its not my dog....but im super interested in this lol

crdane
09-05-2011, 01:13 PM
Carlie had warts in her mouth, bit off the biggest one and within a day, all of the other ones disappeared. Unknown to me, Ayla had them when she went in for her spay/pexi. Milo, also a puppy, did not. They live in the same house and are exposed to the same things. My vet cut them off during surgery, and no more ever appeared. He said she had three.

Carolyn
09-05-2011, 01:16 PM
<<or would a vet protest giving the silver nitrate sticks because they dont think they are the warts.>>

The Silver Nitrate only helps to stop the bleeding.......its almost like a cauterizer (sp?). BUT, I believe that there was other properties of the silver nitrate that did help dry up the wart and thus ultimately decreased the longevity of the wart itself.
So really, it isnt about a diagnosis as much as it is about stopping it from bleeding.
I dont know, maybe the OP's isnt bleeding??

<<if they are the warts will her the antibiotics she is on do nothing?? or can anti biotics help clear them up as well?>>

Warts are a virus.......the Cephalexin will do nothing except build up resistance to that antibiotic for future use. And IMO, cephalexin is a good general antibiotic......not one that you want to build up a resistance too.

On the other hand, Im not there and if this is an infection, the cephalexin will help heal it.......along with keeping the foot clean, dry and dabbing antibiotic cream on it.

I only posted the additional information because of the similarities and the problem I had with my initial vet on a correct diagnosis.

lisa.gayle
09-05-2011, 01:59 PM
Yes! :D They are IDENTICAL with one exception. There is a lot of swelling/pussy stuff in the skin underneath the wart. She did mention the word "wart" but I think was more concerned with the infection/swelling underneath which I think is the reason for the antibiotic? Crazy how Olive's look exactly like the pics you posted just with swelling underneath.

Olive's are not bleeding, not yet anyways. Just yucky looking.

As far as antibiotic cream, would neosporin fall into that category or should I look into something else? I've been keeping a knee sock on her (a pretty one of course) and using coban wrapped around her leg part to keep it up to keep it clean and keep her from chewing on it. Any other suggestions?

Carolyn
09-05-2011, 03:07 PM
If there is puss, then the cephalexin is for the infection, not for the wart.

I would soak her foot once a day in an antibacterial soap, maybe even some epsom salt thrown in and make sure you gently dry it off thoroughly (especially between the toes). I would not cover it as you dont want yeast to grow between her toes. Yeast grows in dark, damp places. That will only start another issue.

Yes Neosporin would be an antibiotic cream.

The warts we had never got infected like that. They just bled everytime the dogs bumped, rubbed or hit them on something. They did get so big that they stuck out between the toes.
Also my dogs never licked or fussed with the warts so I didnt have to worry about them irritating the warts.

Good luck,

gilmore
09-05-2011, 03:35 PM
My youngest had warts as well... they are more common in danes...especially during their juvi stage. I have experienced where others have gone to the vet for these warts and the vets have not been aware of them ---done skin scrapings, put on antiobiotics (which only multiplies wart cultures), etc. etc....nearly $500 later ---the client discovers that warts are common to danes and will fall off (manage themselves)... Those vets familiar with danes resist antibiotics for non-infected warts. It tends to make them worse. I have never run across a case of infected warts. Interesting...keep us posted.

lisa.gayle
09-05-2011, 04:18 PM
This is a picture of her toe on Saturday vs her toe Today. You can tell the swelling has increased underneath it. It's super red. However - I have to say that it doesn't seem to bother her. She's not limping at all and just came in from outside where she had a mad case of the zoomies. Still no bleeding.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k16/whenyougonnaeatthatpickle/olivestoes.jpg

Carolyn
09-05-2011, 06:05 PM
Ive never heard of them getting infected either.

From the picture, it looks irritated, not necessarily infected, but you said that puss came up from underneath the wart when she was examining it? Puss = infection.

did you check between the rest of hertoes for more?

skynoise
09-05-2011, 06:23 PM
Nothing new to add here really, but my mom's dog (pit mix) had something just like this on the edge of her lip, which got pretty large very quickly and had a new one starting to grow when they took her in for her spay.

They didn't give her any medicine for it, but they cut both off and might have cauterized the spots, and said they weren't dangerous, but would continue to spread unless they were removed. I'm not sure where she got the virus, probably a vet's office, but their other dog never had any warts.

Good luck with getting rid of them on Miss Olive! She's much too adorable to be down for long :)

lisa.gayle
09-05-2011, 07:05 PM
Ive never heard of them getting infected either.

From the picture, it looks irritated, not necessarily infected, but you said that puss came up from underneath the wart when she was examining it? Puss = infection.

did you check between the rest of hertoes for more?

I did check the rest of her feet. There are no others between any of her toes, but on her other front paw she has a small little nodule coming up on the top of the paw. I'm going to watch it and see if it grows or turns into the same thing.