I need a little help finding something.

[luvmydanebabies]

I was wondering if anyone could help me find some things.
Im looking to purchuse my forst Show Dane.And she is ready for me to start teaching her new things.
How do i go about finding someone help me or tudering me in this?
what will i need to start?
Her Ears arent Cropped yet. And she still has dew claws
Should i cropp her ears?
How about the Dewclaws with cropped ears will they have to come off or can they be left natural?
I live in Maryland.
Anyone know where there is somwhere that i can go?

P.S.
Sorry for all the questions

Just want to get her on a good track and be knowlegable as i can with her.

Thanks
luvmydanebabies

[mp]

If I'm reading your post correctly, you've already found your show puppy and now need someone to tutor you in raising the pup and preparing her for the show ring? And the puppy is almost ready to come home? I hope you will post more details about your pup because for show people, especially first time show exhibitors, your breeder is your tutor. If you are buying a show prospect puppy, your breeder should be your primary mentor and should be a person with a track record in showing Danes. There is a lot of information and very knowledgeable people here at DOL, but a site like this is typically a supplemental source of information. Please let us hear more from you about your pup so we will know more how we can help. mp

[Bev_K]

Try getting in touch with an [link:www.gdca.org/gdclubs.htm|affiliate Dane club] in your area. Think about joining.

Is your breeder helping you with most of the things you asked? If not, this pup might not be a good choice for your first show potential baby.

Bev

[luvmydanebabies]

Thanks for the Reply's
Well to be "Frank"
Me and the person im buy'n the pup from this is indead her first litter of Show Danes.The mother has a wonderful back ground. She is from Germany. And the Sire is a Ch here in teh states.
So her first litter were 9 Show pups.Beautiful i must say.
And herself she has never shown .But i want to and i really dont know much about show'n. I know some of the simple tasks.
I would like for someone to email me personaly and talkt o me about it.if that is possiable.
But any help is more help to me.
Thanks again!

[luvmydanebabies]

>Thanks for the Reply's
>Well to be "Frank"
the person im buy'n the pup from this is indead her
>first litter of Show Danes.The mother has a wonderful back
>ground. She is from Germany. And the Sire is a Ch here in
>the states.
>So her first litter were 9 Show pups.Beautiful i must say.
>And herself she has never shown .But i want to and i really
>dont know much about show'n. I know some of the simple
>tasks.
>I would like for someone to email me personaly and talkt o
>me about it.if that is possiable.
>But any help is more help to me.
>Thanks again!
>...Opps sorry i posted that wrong.

[mp]

'Fraid I'm still confused. If she doesn't show how would she know if she has show pups or not? Should I make a wild guess here that these are harlequin pups with full white collars? If you're really interested in showing, my advice would be to find a breeder who has the show experience (and breeding experience) to mentor you. For instance, many if not most show breeders remove dewclaws when the pups are about three days old. It's not the kind of decision a Dane and show newbie should have to be making. How did you get interested in showing and how did you decide on this breeder? Thanks. mp

[luvmydanebabies]

Well ive been raised with danes and my mom has had show danes in the past.
And ive really never had the time to show because i worked to much. Im still young. being 22.And since ive married and setteled down and no kids. I do currently have 3 Danes.. They are spay'd and my male is just been neutered. I think it would be fun and have something to do other than sit around at home.
The pup that i want is a Mantel. And she is show. the neck collar is not broken and a big beautiful chest and white legs. and a white muzzel.
The lady that i have talked to about this pup is willing to go and learn with me so in the future she can know what to do and show herself.Willing some of the cost as well.
And im really interested in learn'n how to go about this all.

[tigger]

If you remove the puppy's dewclaw after you get him/her, it is my understanding that it is an incredibly painful surgery...akin to removing your thumb. Dewclaws are normally removed when the puppy is only 2-3 days old and they do not - at that point - have much feeling in their feet.

I'm not sure if dogs have to have their dewclaws removed to show them, but if they do (and you're serious about showing), you'd do much better to 1) find another breeder or 2) if you insist on staying with this breeder, wait until she has another litter and request that the dewclaws be removed when they should be.

-Lesley

[gmac]

I would suggest contacting your local breed club. You will need one on one training, and what can be offered over the internet isn't as helpful.

I sure hope that your breeder isn't charging you *too* much for these puppies. Remember that correct markings does not guarantee success in the show ring.

[dedane24]

They do not have to have their dews removed to be shown. It is a breeders choice. Some do some dont. Also just b/c the mantles markings are show is not guarantee it will turn out to be show material.

[luvmydanebabies]

Well.
How much is to much for a show pup?
Im pay'n lil under 3grand for mine.
Hmmmmm.. The lady im gonna get her from is a very wonderful woman.
And has a health garn on her for 3 yrs i believe thats what she said. And this pup's markings are so wonderful.Also the pup cant get reg till she is 6months to make sure she stays show and all.
So your thoughts? am i going and pay'n a lil much?
The mothers parents are national champs and the sire of the litter is national as well and has really good blood lines.
Well tell me what u think

[dedane24]

Well That sounds a little pricey for a mantle. I can see people paying that for a harl. Maybe a mantle if it was 4-6 months.

[HKDanes]

Show markings do not a show dog make. I would follow mp's suggestion and if you are really interested in showing, buy from a breeder who has a very long track record. Dew claws do not have to be removed for showing. JMO...Jo

[Ellen]

I think thats neat that the pup can't get registered till 6mos to make sure she stays show. Is all her paperwork in order other than that?

[luvmydanebabies]

Thanks a Bunch everyone for ur help.
I looked up the links you all gave to me and ive found some really interested stuff!
Thanks again
im sure ill be back in the future to ask more questions..hehehe

[Bev_K]

>So your thoughts? am i going and pay'n a lil much?

Yes.

What health tests were done on sire and dam?

Bev

[Gunners Mom]

I was wondering ... if your Mother showed Great Danes, why you don't ask her for help?

Gunner's Mom (Janet)

To see my boy ...
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4290114239

[luvmydanebabies]

my mother never got to show her danes.
She had show danes yes .But time she was able to show she got really sick with cancer and never got to finish her dream of show'n her girls.:(
So i just thought i would ask some other people.
And i do thank you all for answer'n as much as you all did.
Thanks
again.

[MyDaneBaby]

Hi:

I just sent you an e-mail regarding these puppies, looking forward to hearing from you.

Marnie

[jensdanes]

I know the breeder she is talking about personally...she was the topic of some hot discussion about 4 weeks ago. I am hoping all the concerned people who know who I am talking about have tried to help this woman. OMG!!! She can feel free to contact me directly. I will pm her, too.
Jen

[briggadane]

Where are you located? All the puppies had to be sold on limited- it was part of the stud contract. The actual agreement was that limited reg. could not be lifted until puppies were evaluated by a knowledgable show person, no sooner than the puppy turned 6 months. It was my only way to ensure that puppies were properly cared for and prepared to show. Which puppy did you buy? Keep in mind that the German breeding tends toward a smaller dane, and that will make it hard to win. Feel free to contact me privately or here.

[luvmydanebabies]

Hmm,
im a lil confused at the moment.
I wish to start nothing in here.
I would hate for anything come about this.
You know what i mean?
Im really a good person!
So i wish to not talk about anything on the open page. IF soemthing is needed to be said all i ask is that you sent me a privite message or somthing. Thank you!

[Pauline301]

To the original poster: Are you Fara?? Your wording sounds so familiar?

Linda, Dave, Jesse, and Kitties, Cassie, Pekoe and Emma

[MyDaneBaby]

Yes Linda she is, however, I've spoken to the breeder & she won't be selling her a dog.

Mitch

[fredalina]

Thank God! i was about to die of a heart attack holding back all that puke! For those of you who don't know what Fara is, you're very lucky. "Good person". Person is a stretch if you ask me.

fredalina

[Pauline301]

Mitch: Thank you for informing the breeder. Then you know her track record also. I guess she thought she could fool a new forum.

Linda, Dave, Jesse, and Kitties, Cassie, Pekoe and Emma

http://sites.centralpets.com/mammals/yuccabean/personal.html

[Pauline301]

Amen Fred. I just had to Ask, after seeing your post elsewhere.

Linda, Dave, Jesse, and Kitties, Cassie, Pekoe and Emma

http://sites.centralpets.com/mammals/yuccabean/personal.html

[MyDaneBaby]

I am fully aware of who she is, though I haven't had the pleasure of meeting her. I am confident that one day when her time comes, she will get what she deserves.

Mitch

[Pauline301]

I'am sure she will. What comes around goes around.

Linda, Dave, Jesse, and Kitties, Cassie, Pekoe and Emma

http://sites.centralpets.com/mammals/yuccabean/personal.html

[Ellen]

:D :D :D :D So hard to be out of the loop}> }> }> }> I'll use my imagination;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

[jensdanes]

I'm with you Ellen, I hate being out of the loop....Judging from what i've read in pm's to me, i'm not sure who's worse here, the buyer or the breeder...the one who would lose the most in this situation is the puppy. I guess when a breeder advertises champ pups in the Baltimore Sun, who knows who they'll get looking to buy a puppy. Can someone please pm me about where to look about this Puppy buyer, I was in contact by pm to warn her about the breeder and saw via her web site that she bred her Dane last month...doesn't know for "sertain" what colors she'll get...scary!

Jen

[MyDaneBaby]

Jen where's her website?

[jensdanes]

I checked my history for yesterday, I pm'd it to you, if anyone else wants it, let me know.

[fredalina]

Me, too, please.

[JusKat]

We've told you time and again that the Dane world is a very small, tightly-knit world. Why do you think you can duck out for a few months and come back under a different screen name without us knowing?

Why don't you tell all these nice people how you used to work for/with MAGDRL? And let them see the cease and desist letter you received for saying that? How about telling them about all the pets of Pentagon soldiers that you are fostering, in a thinly disguised attempt to solicit cash donations for yourself?

I'm equipped to post the pictures of the dog you voluntarily surrendered to me. And your face is in them, too!


Kathy Balestrieri

[jensdanes]

For all those who inquired, the web page which was sent to me yesterday by this "person" is now gone!!! I'm not sure if one of you did it or if she was following what was bound to happen and did it herself. Either way, i'm glad. Sadly though, there is a litter of Danes bred in July that will be for sale in her area, that's what her site said, it was a black to harl breeding. Anywho, glad she's not available now.


web address was... www.fwcwdanes.freewebspace.com/

[JusKat]

Jen?

Please forward it to me as well.

Thanks,
JusKat

[JusKat]

Jen,
That's the same website address that she's used in the past. We were under the impression that FreeWebSpace killed her page after complaints and investigations concerning fraud...

[jensdanes]

All I know is, I contacted her not knowing any of this in an attempt to warn her about this breeder, I HAD NO IDEA about her, but when I got her reply via email, her web address was attached so I looked and it was updated to include info about her recent breeding of harl to black...there had been like 23 visitors according to her little counter at the bottom. It worked till about 35 mins ago. Guess it doesn't matter why, just that it's gone again...

[JusKat]

Funny you should say so, Jen.

We believe that's exactly what she did with the dog she surrendered to me!

JusKat

[MyDaneBaby]

Kat I told her the story.

Mitch

[fredalina]

Why do you have to lie on every board you go to? You started this whole thread here saying that your danes are all spayed and neutered, but clearly you're currently expecting a litter. Do you really think we're all that stupid?

If your life didn't affect the innocent lives of the breed we all love, we'd all be happy to sit back and let you live it yourself. But instead you sell danes that carry for hip dysplasia, don't follow up on sales DOWN THE STREET, and have puppies that continually overload the local rescues. And then LIE about doing rescue and being a "good person", and try to suck up to people so they can make you feel good about yourself. i really hope you get some help because you've obviously got issues. Meanwhile, i really hope you come to your senses about breeding and abusing your pitiful pups.

fredalina

[danemaybe]

you know....i wouldnt suggest inviting people to your house bc i am sure a lot of people here would love to take you up on it. and, although i dont know anything about your situation other than what i have read in this post, you arent automatically a good breeder/owner just bc your dogs are kept in good conditions. what about all the puppies that are sold??

[jensdanes]

I'm confused...did some threads get deleted here? the statement about coming to her house...huh?:D My post about putting her in a crate seems to have been deleted too?

[Eileen]

Where the heck is message #42?

[JusKat]

Funny - When I counted messages, I noticed that #s 37, 42, 45 and 46 were missing...

One was my initial post to Fara, one was her reply (which I printed out for posterity), and one was my comeback. I don't know what the last was, but she may have posted again.

Anyone wanting to read what I copied and pasted can contact me privately.

Some of us will continue to be the proverbial "monkey wrenches in the machinery" for Fara...and with good reason - we despise the exploitation of the breed we love for the financial gain of lesser species.

[jensdanes]

I'd love to see what you have Kat, i'd be interested to see how such a low life defends herself. I think you have my email address already. Thanks:7

[lynn]

As I am now starting the search for a dane puppy and this appears to hit close to home. Would anyone be willing to share pm what I am missing in these posts. I purchased my current dane through an ad in the Baltimore Sun and so far so good. He is 15 months. I did do my research first. But I do check the Balt. Sun for ads. Any advice please?
Lynn
mowens@toad.net

[Katyes Mom]

OK,,, Now I too am totally misconbobulatedly confused,,,lol :D

[astridj]

Maybe Paul removed some posts that might not have been suitable for an open forum. Actually, it would appear that everyone pretty much did have their say and maybe this is another post that should be put to rest????

[JusKat]

>Maybe Paul removed some posts that might not have been
>suitable for an open forum. Actually, it would appear that
>everyone pretty much did have their say and maybe this is
>another post that should be put to rest????

I agree that certain things, such as Fara Warfel's address and phone number, did not belong on an open forum. But the purposes were (1) to remind Fara that she had already given me her info (which she seems to have forgotten - or wants to; and (2) to let others know that Fara has pulled this act on other boards, and that some of us will always be around to keep her from doing it again.

As in the past, Fara herself has put this post to rest by crawling back into her rat's hole. Mission accomplished...

[briggadane]

I dont think Paul did it. Mine was erased too, and it was a sincere "thank you" for someone bringing this to my attention privately. I cant see any reason for that one to be deleted? Besides, when Paul deletes something, doesnt it show it was deleted by him? These posts just disappeared...

[JusKat]

Is it possible for one member to delete another's post?

Kathy

[jensdanes]

Am I losing it, or is post 55 gone now, too? Just curious.

[luvmydanebabies]

hmm,
Maybe its a lil luck from the irish..
hehe:P

[JusKat]

Anyone wanting pictures can email me...


Kathy

[jensdanes]

Since Paul is "watching" maybe he could weigh in on his opinion of how the postings are disappearing....I'd hate to think someone like her is clever enough to figure out how to erase others postings, I thought only Paul had the "power"...also, can't her entry be banned?

[JusKat]

I'd like to know why the manager of this Board is protecting a known animal abuser of record in Glen Burnie, Md?

Paul, you and I don't know each other, but I can prove the statements I've made against XXXX are well-founded and true. I have emails going back months ago that prove her to be a liar on many, if not all, topics. I've seen with my own eyes the dogs she breeds. I know that Animal Control has deemed the Warfels to be backyard breeders of the 'puppy mill' kind. And if you care to check with Debra Rahl, state coordinator of Mid Atlantic Great Dane Rescue League, she'll verify what I've stated here AND will tell you the Warfel overbreeding problem is so ingrained that she (Deb) can almost always recognize one of the Warfel-bred dogs or offspring of those dogs when they intake to MAGDRL.

Paul, if you care to contact me off the board, I'll supply you with pictures of the dog that XXX voluntarily gave up to me...and she is in the picture as well.

I would like to see XXX banned from Danes On Line permanantly.

Kathy Balestrieri
kbalestrieri@hotmail.com

[paul]

There will be NO names posted on the board. If I let one person post a name of an alleged abuser, this will open the gates for everyone to name anyone. It hasn’t worked in the past and never will. If you want to pass information amongst members, do so via PM or personal email.

As far as the comment re me protecting a known abuser, I’ll just forget I ever read that.

[JusKat]

Paul,

I fully understand your position. Could you please tell me what recourse a member has to object to another member's membership on this board? And what does a member have to do in trying to have another member banned from this board?

I only ask because I feel helpless knowing people like the one in question could potentially contact every member here and solicit the sale of unregistered, color-crossed, structurally and mentally unsound dogs...

Kathy Balestrieri
kbalestrieri@hotmail.com

[JusKat]

This was an email I received from someone on another board who remembers the situation we had concerning just this past May. The bad taste won't leave our mouths for quite a while, I'm afraid...

Members can email you if they want to know what the email was about. Lastly, no matter how strongly you feel about an issue, we don't use derogatory names to refer to folks on this board. If you choose to continue this, it may well be that you should find another board to frequent.

Everyone knows who you are referring to so it may well be that we'll put this thread to rest.

[paul]

>Paul,
>
> I fully understand your position. Could you please
>tell me what recourse a member has to object to another
>member's membership on this board? And what does a member
>have to do in trying to have another member banned from this
>board?
>
> I only ask because I feel helpless knowing people like
>the one in question could potentially contact every member
>here and solicit the sale of unregistered, color-crossed,
>structurally and mentally unsound dogs...
>
>Kathy Balestrieri
>kbalestrieri@hotmail.com


Well, how about emailing me? I'm very easy to contact.

[JusKat]

I emailed you yesterday...???

[EdgeWater]

I just wanted to point out that the OP's screen name,
says Charter Member under it.
Does that mean she has been "lurking" here all this time?
And she REALLY thought she could dupe the good ol' DOL'ers?????
x(

When WILL she get a CLUE????
So sad for the Dogs.....
:(

[DaneObsession]

I know that the last posting on this thread was in August but I have just be sent this thread by two breeders, whom I consider friends of mine.

Another friend and myself were in recent contact with this person in respect to a Harle litter that she has currently. I have been searching for a new addition to our family for over a year and ended up conversing with this person about her litter about a month ago. My friend has been talking to her as recently as last week so the danger of someone buying one of her puppies in ignorance of who and what she truly represents is still very much there.

I have been fortunate in that I walked away from this person after some 'red' flags came up during my conversations with her and having passed along her pedigrees plus asked one of my Dane breeder contacts for their advice as I did not recognise her lines etc. I have her contact info., current email, pictures of two of her puppies, pictures of the parent's plus her supposed pedigrees and most of my email conversations with her if this can assist anyone in trying to 'shut' her down.

Just to let everyone know, we are located in Canada and so this breeders' ads are reaching far beyond the US borders. I would hate to have anyone get 'burnt' by her. AND yes, those poor puppies and dogs, what is happening to them right now????

Can anyone let me know by pm what is currently being done about this? Or can anything be done?

Thanks!